Since we have a few ex RHpers here, thought I might start a new thread.
1) How did you get on the RHP?
(were you brought up in it or found your own way)
2) How many years were you on the RHP?
3) What was your time like before your FALL? (Be brutally honest to yourself when writing this part out)
4) First nagging feelings something is wrong with the RHP?
5) First nagging feelings that there is something right with the LHP?
6) Your journey out of the RHP and what gravitated you to the LHP?
7) Has the RHP helped and/or/ hindered your understating of the LHP?
8) How have you changed as a person?
9) When you re read the BIBLE or some similar material what are the differences between now and when you were a RHPer?
10) Have you incoprotated some of your RHP into your occult working eg, prayer? If so, why? If not, why?
11) Any other comments?
Belief Is Reality
Why am I starting this chain of post?
Ever since I started on the occult path last year, I was shocked at how much negative debates were going on online at the time and am still a bit annoyed by it. (I understand you need debate in order to stimulate growth)
I read Simon Necronomicon and an excellent biography on Aleister Crowley last year and was fascinated by the brief history lessons about the occult occult community and how they squabbled.
Ponder over this:-
Humans has evolved over the years.
Technology has evolved over the years.
Medicine has evolved over the years.
Therefore Magick must have evolved over the years.
If Magick has evolved over there years and some old techniques have been streamlined and new techniques and ideas have been added and evolved out of the old ones.
Why are some occult communities so readily to accept the new changes or to implement new changes in order for more growth in the natural evolution of Magick and why some groups stick to their guns with all their might?
Master Tonberry off the Final Fantasy Games is the image that sticks in my mind about what it is to be a COC member.
The reason being is you get 3 chances to kill Master Tonberry and with the end of each turn he shuffles forward and on the third turn and shuffles right up to you he stabs you with his dagger and you are dead and its game over.
Everyone who has this played these series will know the frustraion and the panic one goes in in trying to figure out how to kill Mr Tonberry in 3 turns. Trust me I have been there panic stations on full screaming at the screen fuck off and leave me alone you bloody beeping beep of a green bastard, trying very hard not to get killed by Master Tonberry for the umpteenth time in the beeping row, while I'm doing this I'm getting very streesed out trying to figure a way to kill him and in fear I'm about to die again.
Thats how I am at the moment internalising what the COC and the COC members represent, they may look cute and thier organisation flash looking, but they are ruthless green Master Toberries inspiring fear and panic.
(This posting is suppose to be a humorous compliment to the COC and its member)
(and if you know anyone who has got Final Fantasy X or 12, go play the Master Tonberry part!)
(After all these years I am still tormented by my first few encounters with Mr Tonberry)
Belief IS Reality
ps:- Use 1,000 or 10,000 Needles on Master Tonberry to kill him in 3 turns.
"lifted up a loaded 44 magnum, pull back the hammer, put it to myhead, and then tell you that you have 10 seconds to deny my path/beleives for whatever reason and to blow my plumb head off...your time starts now."
I don't know what I will say back until I'm put in that position, however what I do know is I will put out my mag krava moves I have been studying.
The reason being is I'm not ready to die just yet, that's the truth.
I'm not afraid of dying for my beliefs, but I'm not ready to die, so I am going to fight for life until I am ready to die.
I have been mostly been quiet throughout all these conflicts within the LHP arena, as I did not consider myself experienced enough to join in the debate without being told off and schooled by the ELDERS of the LHP community.
I was confused and torn; on the one hand you had individuals and groups of individuals creating LHP more free and decentralized as no to confirm to church structures as they found it dangerous and of a hindering nature.
Then on the other hand you had groups like Cult of Cthulhu behaving like those churches that I was told weren¡¯t going anywhere due to their structure and hierarchy system.
So all this time, I have been passively watching on the sideline, especially these few months. Since last year, I had and still am following Venger Satanis and Jason King Youtube accounts. So when certain stuff arose, I was like whoa!
I could see both sides of the argument.
Then in the course of a few weeks while I was involved in some heavy commenting and posting on Facebook I realized one of the main answers to this age old LHP debated could be
I¡¯m going to use an example from life as a starting point.
When I first got into Hospitality I had this asain head chef who was and is still is the asian version of "Gordan Ramsey". Nothing I ever did was from my point of view good enough. He was always getting the staff to do menial and pointless tasks that could have been done at other times.
When I parted ways with them, I was told that where ever I go due to them, I will always be one of the best in any field I choose to go, they were right then and they are right now.
That was my BOOT CAMP, that has helped me considerably to the person I am today.
Form my personal understanding, when you are put in that situation you can quit (aka get out of the kitchen if it¡¯s too hot for you) or put up with it and or prove yourself. I always choose to prove myself.
It works, due it being more of a psychological approach; it¡¯s you as the individual who has to dig deep down and do all he hard work
e.g. personal trainer pushing you to your limits.
It¡¯s not just the army and authoritarian forces like cops who put this kind of discipline to practice. Monks of all beliefs system and nuns of the catholic faith put this into practice.
Yes you will have those who will go you beeping Nazi bastard.
In relating to the occult work, DISCIPLINE has been drilled into my head so much when I first started out.
I was given Aleister Crowleys Liber something (upstairs in my room), part of it had sitting postures and breathing exercises to help me with my discipline, I originally thought, OMG, you want me to do that? You must be kidding? You are kidding me? Once again I was behaving like new army recruit.
After I started going back to the gym I was like hmmm, this is making sense, cos the
Liber something breathing exercises=cardio workout
cardio workout=improves how much weights you can use
It is true one grows stronger through adversity and being is suffering
To me sometimes the authoritarian style and all the discipline, rules and regulations can work.
Enduring all these discipline, rules and regulations is one of the paths that leads to suffering and adversity.
I was going to use another of one of my examples here, however I'm going to use a proboard post here as an example as it better explains whats in my head to a certain degree and its more relevant to the COC.
Well you can see where I am going with this in relating it to the occult path.
I used to get frustrated by all the rules regulating what topics I'm allowed to and not allowed to post.
In a way I get it now, however my interpretation/internalization may be different from others.
Now relating this to LHP, a lot of it is about being free and doing what¡¯s right for you and being true to yourself.
So here lies the conflict between groups and individuals on the LHP
You have (new) LHP path groups sprouting up trying to decentralize the "PLATO REPUBLIC EFFECT" and hold on the occult/LHP community and try not to behave like and organized church.
However, most of them revert back to the basics of that PLATO EFFECT no matter how hard they try by going to be a member of this group you have to this and that and don¡¯t do this and that.
One of the reasons I have concluded for this is some of the new LHPers and Satanists, don't really believe in magick and magical practices, so they don't understand the importance of DISCIPLE in regards to those practices.
And if they do, they are mostly theistic Satanists who use the rituals as a mean to an end, they don't really believe in it, they are just hoping their rituals works so they understand why there is discipline, and rules and regulations governing occult groups and individuals. Co they have it in there minds, due to limited material they have come across and limited material that the LHP should be like this and like that (mostly them quoting La Veys writing).
And others they don't believe in anything but themselves.
I see DISCIPLINE; rules and regulations of most groups as a tool to help further myself as an occultist and as a person.
Due to these new understandings of mine, I really want to go to a proper army boot camp just to prove to myself I am as tough as I know I am.
ps:- From personal experience in situations like this the individual always falsely blames the personal trainer for their pain and suffering.
The personal trainer is the helping aid; the trainee has to do all the hard work!!!
Personal trainer=Occult groups, members etc
So I thank those who out there who has helped me in my path as an occultist, most of the time just my crossing my path, and even though you may think that person is an online idiot and not going anywhere, most of the time you fail you to understand how you have touched that persons life for the better
Belief is reality
What do you believe the future generations will understand about it, and will they too be on a LHP?
I see the future generations like the past generations, a period of enlightenment and then a period of the dark ages then a period of the enlightenment etc etc.
Every action has a equal an opposite reaction.
Take disco and 70s rock music, out of that evolved punk and metal.
Take 80s pop music and hair metal, out of that came grunge.
The majority of the current movement is a reaction to Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible.
In turn there are different trends and fads in the music world as there is different trends and fads in the occult world, some say that satanic bible is a fad, that the Golden Dawn was a fad and the esoteric occult of that time was a trend and then there was the trend of Chaos Magick.
The future generations looking back at this generation of occultists and LHPers will read about the cat fights we had like how our generations know about the cat fights of the Golden Dawn and the Wicca/witchcraft movement.
Some might get put off by the way we do things in this current generation and go down a different path or make up a new way of doing things and some might get inspired and expand on existing systems.
Then the future future generation will look down on the future generation and be inspired as well etc etc.
and will they too be on a LHP?
The population of the world is growing, therefore they will be more LHPers as time goes by.
However, there will always be a up and down growth due to trends.
As for propelling the LHP forward and to the next generation. Can you elaborate a bit more on this?
I see the current growth of the LHP static and haphazard going round and round in a vicious circle/cycle.
To propel the LHP forward:-
1) Keeping the forward momentum going.
2) By leading and demonstrating by examples.
3) Each of us represents a single burning flame on the LHP and if each of us work together imagine how potent that single flame would be.
4) We must help and encourage each other, the person you help might be the next Picasso or give birth to the next Picasso
5) Find/create a place of mutual learning
This is a brief outline, I hope it helps answer some of your questions and feel free to fire away with your response.
"This Is The New Shit"
by Marilyn Manson
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There's nothing left to say anymore
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[Taken from my journal entry:-09/11/2010 and spruced up]
Being is suffering.
Most know this as "Without Suffering there is no growth".
I can't think like the average person or like an academic anymore. I have too awakened and too along the path I dare travel.
I have faint memories of ... more